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8/10
If the best are 9s and 10s, this is like a 7.5
crazelord21 February 2022
I think I know why people hate this episode and I don't think it has to do with the main plot or the bit anti climactic ending.

But first the main plot. That's honestly what lowers my score. The episode seems to have a lot to say about war and modern politics, which is represented by Hawk and Dove, one representing the right and the other the left. But it doesn't really say much.

And it paints a warring "foreign" country as more nuanced and sympathetic than just war hungry. But why it fails a bit to me is that it could have been more. It still basically makes Ares, who's just unabashedly blood thirty, the driving force and doesn't address really why this conflict is happening outside of his involvement.

Maybe Ares is a analogy for the war economy? It's possible, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the intent. But I think the writers' resistance to directly condemn any group that may be tied to real people or governments kind of deprived it of that critique and he just comes across as an amoral villian of the week.

BUT here's why I think THIS episode is rated worse on here than even that one where they're turned into kids, and it's common in a lot of shows with a specific episode or 2 more hated than the rest This episode deals with sexism. More importantly more subconscious mysogyny of men.

And when you do that you're going to get a lot of angry viewers, esp with a male dominated audience, bc people don't like to be told they could subconsciously be a part of the problem. It's the lack of overtness and Wonder Woman being just kind of over it all and pissed off instead of patient that I think caused the ratings.

Throughout the episode different characters talk down to her, make comments on her body, or undermine her feelings in some way even when they think they're being helpful. And it builds up until basically one character literally just says it.

But except for that it doesn't paint the mysogyny as super in your face or the woman isn't a complete angel about it. There's no big sexist evil to deflect the problem onto and there isn't a woman being made to act better than the people around her deserve.
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10/10
bussin
papasson18 June 2021
Buss. Idk why people hate the ep so much. Is it because of Ares or something?
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4/10
Worst Justice League Episode EVER
kiehjohn11 March 2017
Warning: Spoilers
I almost didn't review this episode but everyone else here should know why they shouldn't waste their time. Shockingly, the concept behind this episode was actually pretty good. But that was basically the lone plus for an overall sorry episode. The plot was weak and lacking in both conflict and resolution. Basically, the Greek god of blacksmiths (among many other things, obviously) Hephaestus (willingly for some unknown reason) forges a virtually indestructible war robot for the war god Ares that is fueled by of pure human hatred. Ares then disguises himself as a North Kasnian leader and somehow magically convinces the North Kasnian soldiers (who clearly stated that they didn't want to attack, only defend) to participate in an all-out assault of South Kasnia's main weapon arsenal en route to their capital. However Wonder Woman catches wind of Ares' plan for chaos in Kasnia and foils his plot with the help of the polar opposite superhero duo Hawk and Dove. The trio end up stopping the monstrous machine simply by suddenly convincing these two sides (who have been at war since the original series by the way) not to fight anymore in the middle of battle. As a result of his robot shutting down, Ares (yes, the WAR GOD) somehow has been clearly defeated, so he GIVES UP rather than fighting one Justice League member and two trainees (even though his uncle Hades took on the whole Justice League with no problem). But no, clearly Ares is outnumbered by 1 & 2/3 members of the Justice League and some mortal Kasnian soldiers with guns, so after cursing and telling Wonder Woman that "he'll be back" and wherever there is blah blah blah conflict blah blah blah he'll be there he vanishes in flames. Ooooooooh scary. So yeah, overall just a shallow, conflict-lacking episode with a lack of action and animation. Would not recommend THIS particular episode to ANYONE. Trust me though, if you haven't seen the rest of this animated series (or the original Justice League series), you DEFINITELY should, because its episodes are usually MUCH higher quality. 4/10.
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