Cem_Topuz Reviews

At Eternity's Gate (2018)

What are you talking about?

[17 May 2019]

Tells nothing about the subject. Just highlights of the painters most afrorementioned behaviours.

I don't know if the words spoken by the painter are vincent van gogh's actual own words, if not they are very pretentious. I mean the words about "existing in wrong time period" if those are not his actual words which can be found out of letters or some where else, they are very superficial.

As one review points out, just go to the museum. this film is useless as a biopic or gives nothing about those spectacular paintings.

Witchfinder General (1968)

a movie about converting peasents to money

[17 May 2019]

Looking for something like Kill List, Wicker Man or The VVitch, i came across to this and most of the comments are promising so i watched it:

Pros Some of the scenes which shows landscapes or houses behind the trees are pretty good. Also in one scene, which started to showing waves and while waves crushing to the beach they transforms to fire, and through that the scene changes. Pretty good.

Cons They may be famous british actors but acting quality is like an amateur stage play. No tension, no mystery. Besides of posing, no nothing. High pitch women scream.

I got bored while watching this, as i said only a few scene crossing shots are great, besides this one dimensional, unexiciting movie.

Hunter Killer (2018)

What a joke

[21 March 2019]

Bad guy Russian general is on his agenda to take over the nation, he needs a war desperately. At that point America rescue the president of Russia. Wouldn't be so easy if the Russian general just say that "The president just works for the America, we just intervene some kind of secret meeting between him & American's, they attack us, that's the video." Just broadcast it and there you go! You have a major reason for conflict. This is the most absurd plot hole I can remember out of this so 80's chucknorisque movie. Those "people" who claims this is a masterpiece and gives 8-9-10 stars to the movie on this site, must have some kind of portion of the ticket sales directly , I guess. Otherwise there can be rational meaning of their rating system.

Lords of Chaos (2018)

De Futilityess Dom Youthtanass

[3 March 2019]

As it's an interesting story, I studied my lesson long before. There are articles directly from Varg Vikernes himself about what happened, also if you have time and will, lots of interviews with the other figures of Norway Black Metal scene. Also Vikernes have a Youtube channel and from different documentaries you can see how real persons involved, sounds,behaves and that could give you some tips about them. You can imagine motivations, how they lived their parts etc. So i have my own opinion what happened back then and let me try to explain how this film portrays the events with an allegory: If reality is a fresh coffee bean taken right out of a branch, this film is an instant coffee. Which is a brown, dust like substance, tastes like coffee but well, who could now how close it is to a fresh coffee bean at the end. Maybe the outline is accurate but the material they create is quite fabricated. This doesn't feel like the real life, a staged show about reality. But hey! that's the point of movies like this one. And also one point more. What is the point of doing a movie about musicians if you can't use their materials. There are movies about Hendrix (Jimi:All is By My Side) and Morrissey (England is Mine : The boredomfest) which they can't use the songs, but they made anyway, what a let down and stupidly stubborn think to do. If you need an enjoyable terror of the youth movie, you pick the correct title, not bad for some entertainment. But if you are seeking a coffee with a nice flavour and taste this isn't the place you ought to be.

The Comedian's Guide to Survival (2016)

A Survival Guide that Leads to Demise

[3 March 2019]

I'm a victim of "25 movies bla. bla." list on this one. The list have some other movies that are actually good and i had the idea, this one also needs a chance, but it fails spectacularly. Not funny at all. It gives the impression that whoever made this movie tries to create a cult film with all it's characters and dialogue. That boss. Are you serious?? What a bad caricature! The lead character had interviews with "famous" -i guess- comedians that I don't know if they are real or fabricated. And movie is so miserably portrays them that it didn't engage you to look out for them. If they really exist or what's their material sounds like. They represented pretty boring. So, nothing to see here, just turn around and forget about this guide which if watched completely could eventually kill you by boredom.

Suburbia (1983)

Human after all

[13 March 2018]

Escaping from boredom of family home, where you just sit and watch tv, have a few insults ... to a garbage bin, where you WATCH TV, having idiotic conversations, hunger and diseases.

what a glamorous presentation of human looseness.

Zabriskie Point (1970)

ultimate hippi crap

[13 July 2017]

They must worked hard to promote this production, it's still available.

Apparently, minds behind this project tried to tell us something but the fruit falls far from the tree.

If they wanted to create an anti-system (i think "capitalism" in this case) message and influence people, they sure managed to do exact opposite.

But what can you do? There are billions of human around the world and being a pretentious, self-righteous hippi director is always free of charge. Speaking of this movie, it seems that they even awarded him with enough money and production opportunity.

Don't even have a thought about watching this hippi crap with lame messages.

Shame to everybody , who especially have role to produce that earth-orgy scene.

My Scientology Movie (2015)

No point, no fun.

[12 July 2017]

We humans are amazing creatures. Most of the time I find myself, standing in awe by foolishness of my species. I have my own idiot moments and most of the time i just embrace what i had done, any way, this docu-something showed me there are far more meat brains out there.

There's a guy, from start to end, an ex, über-somebody of scientology in the past, man, such an idiot. He spent twenty plus years of his life with shitentology, abused other idiots who pay to be abused, had the sweet taste of power and authority for several years.

And now, he's out, and acting like he's the commander of some kind of sh*t storm. Telling people what to ask, what to feel etc. At some point he basically took a dump on to the main guy, he barely had nothing to say in return.

We humans are lone creatures deep inside, they choose to pay for that abusive, idiotic and undoubtedly wrong corporation, so let them be. Don't judge or try to help. Just watch them slipping in their own feces.

So, i just had motivation to watch what those wackology guys does with this documentary kind of thing but at the end its just people confronting each other close range to call each other squirrel!

What a bummer!!

This production is first class "DON'T WASTE YOUR PRECIOUS TIME" material. Gives no new information about idiotogly dudes, no ending, filled with boring and low quality re-enactments. And also an idiot as starring.

That dude, idiot shitentology old admiral, swear he'll pull the plug off the corp., I wonder what he would did or at first place what can he do? I really want to have future information about his actions, because you know there is nothing more fun then watching humans meaninless movements.

War Dogs (2016)

double henry

[1/10 · 12 November 2016]

if War Dogs could be funny as it's trailer promises, it's rating could be seven...but not even close to two if you actually watch it.

War Dogs is a constraining comedy movie with lots of clichés and has only one scene that's half action, half funny on it.

the most wtf moment for me all through the movie is, the appearance of Jonah Hill. He looks like an obese, over tanned Bradley Cooper. Some one like, from the future or past of Bradley's character, seriously, when Teller's character meets with Bradley's character at the bar, for the first time, for a second, i waited something like: " hey! i'm from the future! don't do this." etc.

any way, nothing exciting, funny or compelling here, move along.

Zoolander 2 (2016)

Re-hash the cards

[1/10 · 6 May 2016]

First of all, as a spoiler alert, first ZOOLANDER is totally the best spoiler for this film.

Same basic strictly commercial moves from guys who needs more, i don't know what, cause it's clear that those guys had everything, quite obviously.

As a late thirty guy, an admirer of ZOOLANDER, this feature leaves me frustrated.

Everything in this movie is completely same with the first movie. Even the humour. This is quite incredible, but jokes are exactly same(who am i?/ingabogovinanana -na -na -na -na/are you serious? am i the only one here? / i invented the blablabla / relax /and goes on like an avalanche of bad, cloned jokes.) just insert different celebrity cameos.

Even the position of cameos are quite the same.

Same name jokes, same behavioral jokes, same ending, same ridiculously same shi*t.

I can't really understand what are the makers of this movie thinks. They don't have any obligation to carry (or create a franchise) obviously they have enough money. So just think harder and take your time to make something original.

This is just torture to watch.

I thought TROPIC THUNDER might be a good sequel to ZOOLANDER. with some minor changes, it could have been worked.

By the way speaking of Tropic Thunder. That's a good example of entertaining and funny movie, i hope they'll never try to make a sequel.

Zoolander is finished, I'm going to THE CENTER FOR MEN WHO DOESN'T LIKE ANYTHING MADE BY SENSELESS URGE TO HAVE MORE AND WANTS SOME REAL FUN.

In the Heart of the Sea (2015)

Nicely highlighting the evil inside mankind

[3/10 · 29 February 2016]

Humans are failed species and this movie reminds me that nauseate information again.

From beginning of the movie, all humans on the screen aimed only destruction. Kill or mock everything they interact and got troubled all because of their own actions.

After the worst thing could happened to them happened they ask for mercy... which we do not deserve.

And add idiotic back stories like, trying not to give away "secrets" like cannibalism, etc...

This movie makes me sick because it reminds me how shallow human being can be.

At the end, main characters refused to tell a lie, not to obey the rules of "companies that keeps the wheel running" and reveal the bs they caused is just plain awful. That didn't even important because all the whole oil industry goes on to this day? that integrity does means nothing.

It tells us about the importance of honour, virtue, integrity etc. but let me tell you something. All virtues and merits created by man, serves the man to justify all mankind's moronic and absurd decisions and actions.

Steve Jobs (2015)

Second part of Jobs trilogy

[1/10 · 23 December 2015]

After watching this era's angry, visionary, entrepreneur's business meetings in the movie called -part one of the saga - Jobs at 2013, this year we are facing the second part of the saga: Steve Jobs.

As we all saw how business meetings were bloody, this time we'll visit the product launch and marketing meetings section of, angry Steve.

Like part one, part two is crafted with dialogue. Non-stop conflicts of angry Steve and world.

Expect nothing more than talking people.

Mission for the crowd is to understand how brilliant angry Steve and how he shaped the things by listening the conversations and carefully tracing body language.

Next episode, we'll dwell into monolouges of angry Steve while he's unloading his sh*t. Long mind conversations happens inside of this brilliant mind, while peeling a health apple.

Waste of time, tells nothing to the audience.

How come somebody watchs -at least- Jobs and had motivation to do another, just conversation based movie about this man.

Pirates of the Silicon Valley is still best film about this specific topic, there are no competitors to it.

one last word, I could understand what's so weird or unacceptable about behaviours of a man, who creates his own company from nothing to a biggest company in the world. I mean, i know much terrible dudes, who owns literally nothing but treats his employee like they are waste of sperm because somebody told him that he's the Ceo of a company. Business in human world runs like this. You have to slap everybody in the face if you want what you want.

very terrible movie. shame on you Mr. Boyle and if your movies will be like this, please spare Trainspotting 2 from happening.

Terminator Genisys (2015)

Terminator : The Ultimate Remmixx (Samata 2015)

[1/10 · 29 September 2015]

Nice try to recover a franchise. I'm sure there will be bunch of children goes berserk about Terminator. Death to old school (T1-T2) Terminator.

Lot's of quanto-jumbo stuff and a hero who doesn't know he have to knell while time traveling.

Aging Terminator.

Commando: Sarah Connor Episode.

Future skynet like helicopter that bends gravity, time and space and s**t.

Ultimate mish-mash, cash grabbin', retro-mix of characters and action scenes. (i think, i failed to spot T-X from T3. Femme fatale terminator, should i watch again?)

Starring : Lucy Connor Ommnipotent but vulnerable to Magneto.

Mom you sing like poop. And you'll make your son sing bla bla...

I know I'm not who you expected (??!?!?)

Future: 59 New Genisys uptades waiting.

You know nothing Kyle Reese.

Future can change any minute but i believe everyone i love drops dead soon. (not happened)

Even an old model T800 can be upgraded through melting inside of skynet-goo from it's half slashed body, but not the most advanced model of Terminators. Because it doesn't get along with magnets.

Besides all those disappointing moments of Genisys, one spectacular moment, causes my low rating. The moment that future Sarah plants her fathers last advise to Kyle Reese's head. Such a dork child! for a realistic and emotional scene that kid must go apesh**t at that stairs so Sarah have to calm him down and give him the precious advice of his life. Just standing motionless and after a second she decided to courage him. Such bad acting.

I got a few names for sequels which might make more sense:

Terminator : Zombicaplyse!

Terminator : The Real Toy Story

How i programmed your father.

Stupidity goes on and on...

The Double (2013)

Avant-garde Fight Club directed by Yoko Ono

[1/10 · 25 June 2015]

I am an admirer of great Fyodor Dostoyevski therefore i watched The Double.

But

As soon as it started, it feels like an avant-garde version of fight club. after 20+ minutes i pretend like i'm watching a Fight Club adaptation directed by Yoko Ono or let's say marina Abrovomoviç... something like that. fun for some 5 minutes but not enough for entire run time.

Anyway, it's dull and lameobore movie of the year. don't bother.just really want to know how a human being read Dostoyevski and comes up with something like this.

sometimes it's really hard to believe.

The Admiral: Roaring Currents (2014)

Relativity: Making decisions takes 15 mins, fighting takes 5.

[3/10 · 1 June 2015]

The Admiral supposed to be a legendary historical war movie. But this could be accurate no way. It starts quite good but failed when decision making and thinking scenes starts. Those scenes took way to long time with close up character shoots and also glorious movie music. Music is one of the strongest part of a movie i believe. For example, in a well executed sad scene, if the music is right, it could make you cry maybe throws you to the pits of depression. Well, in The Admiral, they try to do this. He have to make a decision so let the world stop and big orchestra play like something happening. Music didn't worked for me in The Admiral. Eventually this makes hard to embrace the "good guys". I loved Japan side more. At least they they look more capable of doing something, which they fail miserably.

Human kind always amazes me with its need of unbelievable, heroic and amazing features. We always imagine something and after a while worship it like it comes from heavens or some other unimaginable dimension. so it goes same with this movie. One group of people looks and says; He defends his land with 12 ship (actually more of the work was accomplished with only one ship, all other 11 ship just watch the river burn, according to movie.) versus 330 ships. Well if it really happened like in this movie it could be miracle. But i am living here on earth and i look and see that only 3 ship could be enough for whatever the number of enemy side, but apparently, with a perfect strategy. As i am sure, really happened somewhere in time.

So if you want to watch a realistic feudal era, far east movie, do not bother with The Admiral. If you want to watch an action adventure, full of life struggles and lame experience quotes, The Admiral is the film.

And i can't stop myself to tell this; vision of Japan & Korean marines at those times were epic. No matter how far their ship to the scene, no matter what's position of their ship to the point, they could watch everything like watching film at an imax theater. Awesome.

Project Almanac (2015)

million times for chemistry class, one time for lottery

[1/10 · 13 May 2015]

never go full retarded...

this would be the title of this MTV film.

one can not stop thinking about the stupid situation in the film:

You have the time travel thing,

You had the motivation and morals to "jump" as long as it takes to just pass 12th grade chemistry class,

but you are to ???? to "jump" one more time to win additional 51,2 million dollars.

also,

you are genius but you are not smart enough to clear your workbench.

one out of zillion.

Dracula Untold (2014)

A super hero film with multiple layers (just kidding)

[1/10 · 19 February 2015]

How about "Lance Untold" except Dracula for the title. I can't stop myself to make this awful joke, pardon me, but at some point in the movie where he became omnipotent over one night, it reminds me of great Lance Armstrong legacy. A man, struggles in life and finds answer in steroids & doping. Sure they will cheer him up to some point but once his mask falls down, everybody will hate him. See the market place where the monk confronts Vlad aka Dracul... son of dragon & devil... and some other Vlad.

Speaking of similarities, the movie also visited Batman series briefly. If he compels hard enough, he'll turn into Batman cgi and kick the entire army's ass. What a bonus...

After that, here comes the Matrix. Definitely that two battle scenes are rip off from Matrix 3's UFC scenes.

Racing through the uncomfortable situations to catch your beloved one... from the first spider man i guess? or maybe superman lives...

For the final, they thought it's good to place a final showdown at the CAVE of DUCK TALES!!! this time, instead of swimming in coins, they have to kill each other, throw that coin and burn him.

Wait. All those glitter seems not enough.

Let's have a final, completely out of Ocean's series. "Let the games begins." Mega Lame!! Strictly commercial movie. Good for watching and commenting while having a couple of beer.

Skinwalker Ranch (2013)

it doesn't matter if it's a farm or planet...

[1/10 · 4 September 2014]

What the heck was this?

Okay people just admit that there won't be another Close Encounters With the Third Kind.

Like Europa Report, this movie promises to give us chills but except that we only got boredom. The formula is quite basic. Mean that there was a nasty thing around here and there, set all your high tech equipment all around place and after that open the gates of tension. I don't think so.

I'm really embarrassed to mention this one here but it's like 10k of the same movie, over and over again and they still got this scene:

All powerful, all mysterious, all strong and maybe omnipotent compared to us aliens, can -literally- twist a huge pick cup like a beer can but can't handle a wooden door. please stop doing this s h i t.

so like Europa Report - i got bored twice as this one bored me while watching it - there is a reward waiting for you if you are stubborn enough to reach the end:

a cripple alien for 10 seconds.

beware!

Filth (I) (2013)

ask the filth

[2/10 · 15 April 2014]

trying to be a masterpiece or a big hit, fails so fast that if you are careful enough, you can understand the end twist within 2 minutes after the film started.

the only good point about this film is, as you look at the poster, you see what is all about: a policeman shouting most of the time as he is going insane.

I don't really understand what is the point of "Filth". There are absolutely no characters you can like. too much talking, too many sentences for just one subject etc...

They should made a cartoon movie as they put one at the credits scene that would be nice.

Jobs (2013)

wasting the vast source

[1/10 · 2 October 2013]

Last night while i was watching JOBS, a series of boring conversations tied together with no sense and excitement at all, movie i thought why in earth somebody try to waste such a massive story. From the stories i read about Steve Jobs, he had a tense life and really achieves lots of things like other guy as himself. And in the second hand, why a blockbuster movie choose not to tell the story of Bill Gates at the same time. I even imagined how could it be done and it seems perfect to me.

Well after i watched this puny movie Jobs, disappointed, i realized that somebody already managed to craft a decent flick, showing both rivalries.

you see, some people around the world got this lame thing; if you transmit good vibes or ask what you need from universe, it will give it to you / you'll live a "nice" life, i say this is b***t and they got it wrong. In my opinion, everything must be in it's right place to be just like you want. And when i say "everything", i mean everything. The air surrounds you, the breeze, the planets, SUN even the flow of the water beneath you. So human beings like Jobs are able to sense the correct time and where, this is their power. On the other hand, we the people just doesn't in the moment to sense such thing.

Only positive thing that Jobs movie did for me is to made me watch the other good adaptation of the subject: The Pirates of Silicon Valley.

Now, everything forms a line for that The Pirates of Silicon Valley.

There is nothing more to tell about the Jobs.

Trance (I) (2013)

what can Boyle do sometimes?!?

[2/10 · 19 August 2013]

If you take a quick look to the titles of all reviews for Trance, you could easily see roughly the haters don't hate Danny Boyle but despise Trance. And yes, i am one of them.

As every body tells, i love Trainspotting, The Beach, 127 Hours, A Life Less Ordinary, Sunshine and i might add Slumdog here but Trance is completely not have a place near those movies.

You predict what the movie is about so fast that it becomes a dull entertainment piece with lots of electronic beats and music and something like that. Boyle tries to create a fluent, raving thriller movie yet he fails and creates an unsuccessful mystery with lots of so called twists.

the most annoying part of the movie which becomes main attitude of the movie after one hour is the narrations of Dr. Elizabeth Lamb. After on hour Elizabeth starts to narrate the events and that keeps on till the end. She speaks, speaks, speaks and audience just watch some reenactment of what she narrates. Pretty boring that i lost my interest and that leads to lack of motivation which made you to follow the several parallel realities. After you stop keeping track of multiple layers, the movie has nothing to tell you.

and now as we look at the tabela, it's in very below position, what can Danny Boyle do sometimes? ;)

Europa Report (2013)

Mega Lame

[1/10 · 19 August 2013]

Where should i start? most appropriate point to tell you to avoid this "film" is, it's not a movie at all. It felt like some really excited young nerd dudes tries to tell us something. But this time not with their tails or barking, this time they filmed their lame nerd fantasies.

For me, the point of found footage movies must shock the viewer and also the viewer should had the glimpse that the s**t on the screen could or would be real. In this case, with bunch of odd positioned chairs and places that looked like physics lab at any university and landscapes of Europe which looked like demo of an old play station 2 space shooter game, they failed to give that realistic emotion. i'm pretty sure that even creators of this piece didn't happy with the lame Europe landscape scenes that they showed them a little, as fast as they can be.

Edited like an documentary, there are two repulsive main characters, the fat and bearded science guy - who sounds like "aliens" guy in history channels ancient aliens documentary - and retarded company Ceo woman, appears nearly every 10 minutes. also screen design for those so called documentary pieces was awfully bad crafted. i hate watching those parts as i hate coconut.

if you don't have proper effects and lame screen saver like landscape shots, you should show your cast's face very very close, that might make audience forget how bad your effects are. i got bored of watching some loser astronauts facial details for minutes. close up noses with rad counter on the right bottom of the screen. rad and other counters look like retarded video game that sets on someone else's face. can it be more annoying? yes, while you are watching close cut of nose and skin and eyes of somebody, you also have to listen their moaning. As Kirk Lazarus said: Never go full retarded.

in conclusion, if i watched this thing at a science festival conducted by high school attendants i could give five out of ten but for a movie that is distributed overseas, its so ridiculous.

and if you really want to watch a good sci-fi, something really comes around the facts, try 2010: the year we make contact. you'll see results of dealing Europe more clearly.

Renegade (2004)

you have to had a certain experience to enjoy Blueberry

[7/10 · 29 June 2013]

Back in 2004 when Blueberry released, i didn't pay attention. Today i'm very glad that i didn't watch the movie till i had my dmt experience.

I'm not comfortable about talking people's choices so i won't tell anything special about experience, every human being have chance to choose which experience to live.

After the stunning and amazing experience we got together, all blown up, started to talk about if there is a computer or person or cgi team that could made or even design the same visions we encountered during the experience. We all know Enter The Void, it begins with the main character's dmt trip. it's visuals was OK but no where near our experience. At last we decided that Alex Grey's paintings are the closest possible cartoon copies of the visuals of the trip, until one of us mentions Blueberry. Unfortunately nobody watched it except him.

I like Vincent Cassel. Love Juliette Lewis. And I, well... got used to Michael Madsen. Michael Madsen is Michael Madsen in Blueberry once again. Exact same gestures, mimics, talking style and movements. He is like Highlander of mafia guys. There can be only Madsen.

Anyway Bluberry has beautiful scenes and smartly crafted motives. It's about greedy little human f***ks and the humans who had the influence of where really we are and respect the place. Just because of those points you can watch Blueberry and enjoy it.

And finally, when they reach the gold, the real story begins. Dmt experience is the experience you have to had to enjoy last thirty minutes of this film. I am sure that everybody who took part of making the last thirty minute experienced dmt. the special effects of the trip are most accurate depiction of what you experienced out there but unfortunately they are near no where the actual "thing". While i was watching it, i smiled like i am watching an old private video of mine. So even you won't want to have an experience of dmt just know that there is a meaning and a strong reality about those parts of the Blueberry and judge by knowing it.

If i don't experienced something like that i am pretty sure i would give Blueberry 5/10 points. But this movie is a little different with it's attitude, editing. it's absorbing.

Like Yuni said in the movie, plants have ability to show you who you are and where are we. Blueberry is a homage to that sentence.

One last thing. I think Michael Madsen supposed to be villain of this film. Not even close!!! Something 7500 voters misunderstood about this movie.

Hated: GG Allin & the Murder Junkies (1993)

from another point of view, it's fascinating.

[4/10 · 11 October 2012]

besides it's claim to be a punk documentary, Allin himself and this film shows how the system confuse minds of human beings.

it hypnotizes you so secretly that by inserting a banana up to your a**, you think you are out of it. you eat your s**t and run naked through streets and this means you don't recognize the system, you -think- do whatever you want.

but in the other hand, he paid for his whiskey or the woman who gave him a golden shower, signed a petition for admitting -and understanding- the rules of an university and deal with a record company...

if you are looking for a music documentary just pick, "the filthy and fury" or "end of the century". this one is pretty funny and confused.

3 Idiots (2009)

3 Hours of Pure Torture (with weepy guys)

[1/10 · 30 September 2012]

first of all i'm aware of free choice. i can choose to not to watch this... thing. as a twist of things i had positive reviews from several people, i heard that this... piece is a good comedy. but this... - i can't even name it- is just a mixture of several boring and not funny sketches. There are 30 years old human beings pretending to be 18 years old students. All of a sudden they started to shake and spin. Also those men cries for nearly everything. woke up in the morning, starts crying. every possible solution for any kind of difficulties they encountered is suicide or dance. after that they cry. i agree it's their style. everybody is free to have things in the way they like but please just don't overrate it. i mean, i think transformers is awful but at least there are some cgi is going on there. man, i can't imagine i will say this. one last thing, it's unbelievably long. Although it has no story, just an idea, it transforms several different kinds: teen comedy, mystery, drama, road trip... and then they cry. at one point i thought it will never end. after that, they cry a little more...